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		<title>By: Bob Kreisberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Kreisberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 00:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ed, thanks so much for your very thoughtful reply.  I&#039;ll be sending out another video in the next couple of weeks on another candidate situation, and I&#039;ll be interested in your perspective on this situation as well.  Thanks again for your thoughts.  Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ed, thanks so much for your very thoughtful reply.  I&#8217;ll be sending out another video in the next couple of weeks on another candidate situation, and I&#8217;ll be interested in your perspective on this situation as well.  Thanks again for your thoughts.  Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Kreisberg</title>
		<link>http://www.opusproductivity.com/opusbob/2009/11/06/opusbob-would-you-hire-a-known-conniver/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Kreisberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Julia, I&#039;m with you.  Had she kept her mouth shut about her methodology at least it would have shown some gained wisdom and maturity.  She didn&#039;t, and that was really the kiss of death.  But that&#039;s just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Julia, I&#8217;m with you.  Had she kept her mouth shut about her methodology at least it would have shown some gained wisdom and maturity.  She didn&#8217;t, and that was really the kiss of death.  But that&#8217;s just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Towne Mendelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Towne Mendelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My recommendation would be not to hire this person without more information.  A couple of points.  It sounds like she is proud of the fact that she took took an unfair advantage over the other girls in the troop. Also, seems she is unremorseful of lying to her school about being sick.  Finally, this makes it  appear like she has little respect for the bigger picture. The purpose of raising money for the Girl Scouts, an organization whose goal is to build character, teamwork and leadership, is to foster these traits.  All this story shows is she is an opportunistic who will cut corners to further her own gains. Making a mistake as a child is one thing but bragging about it in an interview is a sure sign that she sees this behavior as acceptable. Further questioning to see if this was a mistake or truth would be in order.  If this was the only information I had about this person I would say not to hire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My recommendation would be not to hire this person without more information.  A couple of points.  It sounds like she is proud of the fact that she took took an unfair advantage over the other girls in the troop. Also, seems she is unremorseful of lying to her school about being sick.  Finally, this makes it  appear like she has little respect for the bigger picture. The purpose of raising money for the Girl Scouts, an organization whose goal is to build character, teamwork and leadership, is to foster these traits.  All this story shows is she is an opportunistic who will cut corners to further her own gains. Making a mistake as a child is one thing but bragging about it in an interview is a sure sign that she sees this behavior as acceptable. Further questioning to see if this was a mistake or truth would be in order.  If this was the only information I had about this person I would say not to hire.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Bezzant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Bezzant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an interesting conversation.  

Anyone who has worked in sales has run across people who &quot;think outside of the box&quot; to be successful. I think that most sales managers want aggressive personalities in their sales organization.  

The problem with this particular scenario is that you don&#039;t know if the salesperson being considered will do something unethical or even illegal to make the sale.  I believe that further questioning would be in order to better understand the boundries this particular salesperson has before continuing down the hiring path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting conversation.  </p>
<p>Anyone who has worked in sales has run across people who &#8220;think outside of the box&#8221; to be successful. I think that most sales managers want aggressive personalities in their sales organization.  </p>
<p>The problem with this particular scenario is that you don&#8217;t know if the salesperson being considered will do something unethical or even illegal to make the sale.  I believe that further questioning would be in order to better understand the boundries this particular salesperson has before continuing down the hiring path.</p>
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		<title>By: Yarden Ben-Dor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yarden Ben-Dor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working with such a person, you would have to wonder what she is doing every time she would call in sick :). 
I think it&#039;s all about trust. You have to trust the people you hire, as well as the people you work with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working with such a person, you would have to wonder what she is doing every time she would call in sick <img src='http://www.opusproductivity.com/opusbob/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .<br />
I think it&#8217;s all about trust. You have to trust the people you hire, as well as the people you work with.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lambert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Initially I agreed with your first client as, like his organization, we too highly value integrity and I question the candidate&#039;s.  Interestingly, the second client&#039;s comments made me stop and think about this a little more.

I think that the situation requires more investigation.  Clearly, this is an ambitious, competitive and creative person who is motivated to succeed and win.  Why would an organization looking for a high quality salesperson dismiss this candidate on the basis of one anecdote?  Her story may be cause to raise a flag but surely there are some other questions that could be asked of her to determine her sense of ethics before dismissing her as a candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Initially I agreed with your first client as, like his organization, we too highly value integrity and I question the candidate&#8217;s.  Interestingly, the second client&#8217;s comments made me stop and think about this a little more.</p>
<p>I think that the situation requires more investigation.  Clearly, this is an ambitious, competitive and creative person who is motivated to succeed and win.  Why would an organization looking for a high quality salesperson dismiss this candidate on the basis of one anecdote?  Her story may be cause to raise a flag but surely there are some other questions that could be asked of her to determine her sense of ethics before dismissing her as a candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not enough information, though there is certainly a string to pull to find out more.  I would say to her, you obviously think outside of the box, do you have any other examples in work situations when you have thought outside of the box.  Interesting situation.  If she had not done anything unethical in work situations that she admits to, then I would probably hire her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not enough information, though there is certainly a string to pull to find out more.  I would say to her, you obviously think outside of the box, do you have any other examples in work situations when you have thought outside of the box.  Interesting situation.  If she had not done anything unethical in work situations that she admits to, then I would probably hire her.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob - good to see you in video - you look great.  Clearly the ex girl scout lacks humility but I would expect a more contemporary story from her.  Maybe she peaked as a 10 year old? Ultimately, I would check her &quot;dominance&quot; trait and does it align with her description of herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob &#8211; good to see you in video &#8211; you look great.  Clearly the ex girl scout lacks humility but I would expect a more contemporary story from her.  Maybe she peaked as a 10 year old? Ultimately, I would check her &#8220;dominance&#8221; trait and does it align with her description of herself.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

This is a new take on the classic ethical problem:  does the end justify the means?

Because we&#039;re talking of seemingly trivial peccadillos, a teenage girl cutting class to sell her Girl Scout Cookies, etc., our current cultural tendancy is to forgive and applaud her ambition to &quot;be the best.&quot;  After all, she stands in sharp contrast to the backsliding &quot;do nothings&quot; who couldn&#039;t be bothered with a good cause such as raising funds for the Girl Scouts, etc.

But if we trivialize the choices the young girl made, we overlook several over-riding principles:  namely, (1) cutting class is truancy, a minor crime in most jurisdictions if not all --- and certainly not something to applaud or be proud of;  (2) The Girl Scouts lay great stock in teaching their members time-proven principles of highest honor and integrity in all aspects of living.  Indeed, the &quot;Girl Scout Law&quot; provides as follows:

&quot;I will do my best to be honest and fair, friendly and helpful,
considerate and caring, courageous and strong, and responsible for what I say and do, and to respect myself and others, respect uthority, use resources wisely,
make the world a better place, and
be a sister to every Girl Scout.&quot;

I&#039;ll leave it to you to count the many violations of the Girl Scout Law embodied in your candidate&#039;s behavior and attitude when selling cookies.  If we take the girl at her word, can we BELIEVE that she is actually the &quot;best&quot; Girl Scout? Hardly.  But this begs the question, how much weight does she give her her own oath when reciting the &quot;Girl Scout Promise&quot; to live by the Girl Scout Law?  In other words, her promise to obey the Girl Scout Law, as given at weekly Girl Scout meetings, means nothing to her.  So, is she truly the &quot;best in everything she does&quot;?  Clearly, she is delusional and has no moral compass to guide her behavior, despite the teachings of the Girl Scouts.  She also apparently thinks rather little of you that you would not be concerned with her sneaky way of life.  

In its own way, this story is the same one that led to the downfall of Enron, Worldcom, Adelphia and others.  It is the core topic of John Bogle&#039;s recent book, &quot;Enough.&quot;  

As legendary newscaster Paul Harvey once said, &quot;If we teach our children when young not to steal from the cookie jar, it is less likely that they will steal cars when they are older.&quot;  Somehow this young lady failed to internalize the principles she was supposed to learn as a Girl Scout, and she proudly showed you how shallow her character was years later when already an adult.  Recommendation:  hide your car keys.  And keep looking for someone else to fill the job.

Edward O. Hunter
Corporate Governance Specialist
Irvine, California</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>This is a new take on the classic ethical problem:  does the end justify the means?</p>
<p>Because we&#8217;re talking of seemingly trivial peccadillos, a teenage girl cutting class to sell her Girl Scout Cookies, etc., our current cultural tendancy is to forgive and applaud her ambition to &#8220;be the best.&#8221;  After all, she stands in sharp contrast to the backsliding &#8220;do nothings&#8221; who couldn&#8217;t be bothered with a good cause such as raising funds for the Girl Scouts, etc.</p>
<p>But if we trivialize the choices the young girl made, we overlook several over-riding principles:  namely, (1) cutting class is truancy, a minor crime in most jurisdictions if not all &#8212; and certainly not something to applaud or be proud of;  (2) The Girl Scouts lay great stock in teaching their members time-proven principles of highest honor and integrity in all aspects of living.  Indeed, the &#8220;Girl Scout Law&#8221; provides as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;I will do my best to be honest and fair, friendly and helpful,<br />
considerate and caring, courageous and strong, and responsible for what I say and do, and to respect myself and others, respect uthority, use resources wisely,<br />
make the world a better place, and<br />
be a sister to every Girl Scout.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave it to you to count the many violations of the Girl Scout Law embodied in your candidate&#8217;s behavior and attitude when selling cookies.  If we take the girl at her word, can we BELIEVE that she is actually the &#8220;best&#8221; Girl Scout? Hardly.  But this begs the question, how much weight does she give her her own oath when reciting the &#8220;Girl Scout Promise&#8221; to live by the Girl Scout Law?  In other words, her promise to obey the Girl Scout Law, as given at weekly Girl Scout meetings, means nothing to her.  So, is she truly the &#8220;best in everything she does&#8221;?  Clearly, she is delusional and has no moral compass to guide her behavior, despite the teachings of the Girl Scouts.  She also apparently thinks rather little of you that you would not be concerned with her sneaky way of life.  </p>
<p>In its own way, this story is the same one that led to the downfall of Enron, Worldcom, Adelphia and others.  It is the core topic of John Bogle&#8217;s recent book, &#8220;Enough.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As legendary newscaster Paul Harvey once said, &#8220;If we teach our children when young not to steal from the cookie jar, it is less likely that they will steal cars when they are older.&#8221;  Somehow this young lady failed to internalize the principles she was supposed to learn as a Girl Scout, and she proudly showed you how shallow her character was years later when already an adult.  Recommendation:  hide your car keys.  And keep looking for someone else to fill the job.</p>
<p>Edward O. Hunter<br />
Corporate Governance Specialist<br />
Irvine, California</p>
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		<title>By: Ora Goldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ora Goldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In our organization, we would rather hire a team player than someone who creates a strategy that creates a disadvantage for the other people in her organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our organization, we would rather hire a team player than someone who creates a strategy that creates a disadvantage for the other people in her organization.</p>
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